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Dj Tano · Nov 26, 2006, 12:19 PM // 12:19

I just wanted to shout this out and hope that the gw developers hear this.

The thing that i hate about guild wars is that it is "untidy".

It is just one game over the other.

One thing i expect from a game company when they develop a game, is that it is polished. That it has its rules and is clear instead of confusing.

Guild wars does have that but it is also very unpolished. What i mean is that it has got many things (they are not too major but many small things destroy a game) that dont work and the developers just found a way to cover the problem up and not just repair it.

It seems like a lot of the work in guild wars was started good but ended with haste. As if there was no time to make it perfect. And i think what players want, and specially what the developers want is the game to be perfect and polished.

Ok so heres the list that i made in the last 5 imns out of my mind:

Quests: overall the quest texts are way too long and boring. fortunately anet noticed taht and nightfall quests are funnier and shorter to read. the quests themselved really suck but in nightfall theyve improved. the quest reward still sucks, giving us way too few money (seen the prices of stuff in guildwars).
Speech: the voice actors are totaly boring (except for a few) and i also think that mmorpgs dont need long reading texts since ps1. everything should be sayd and there should be only a few things to read (if you think thts too much space, look at oblivion or the gta series).
Missions: whilst i am overall pleased with the missions i think that there should be just 1 type of mission in all of the campaigns. wheter the mission+bonus, mission+timebonus, or mission+3bonus. (i personally vote for mission+3bonus).
Game engine: i think the game engine should be tweaked. i know this game looks really beautyful but it still takes too much hardware for that look.
Game economy: anet just knows that the game economy is bad and just putting some "extra cash for farmers" weekends they should just tweak it. also seen the prices people just need more money for stuff.
Armor: armors should all be in one signle system instead of the armor=stats, armor=allstats, armor=buyrunes (i personally vote for armor=allstats). i want to add taht the armor=buyrunes is the most sucky of all 3 systems as it doesnt fit into the concept at all and is just another money sink (for money we dont have).
Skills: i see that many skills are useless or can just be replaced by better ones. i also hate the whole skill changing every 2 weeks. make a skill, balance it out, leave it that way! i also think that having to buy skills is the worst thing as it is yet antoher money sink. the prophecies system is the rock!
Faction points: overall faction points are useless except for buying armor. the whole town controlling thing sucks as only those guilds get the benefits and without it faction points are even more useless. the frontline moving makes no sense either as it only affects merchants (wich is dumb). what about having kurzick/luxon patrols on theyr side of the line? at least it would make sense.
Class changing: i just want to say that changing class should not be priced but should have to be obtained like in prophecies. or maybe it should be made that you can obtain it like in prophecies but you can also buy it (for the impatient).
Hero system: the thing that sucks about the hero system is taht you have to buy them weapons or get them from collectors. if anet still wants to keep it this way then at least make heroes cross char so that we dont have to get as many weapons.
Pvp: i cant say much about pvp because i dont play it a lot but i want to say that the new char creating system totaly suxx and just brings confusion. give us the old one back as it looks more clean.
Obsidian armor: wtf? how can you expect anyone to get this armor without farming or ebaying? (wich you both discourage throught nerfs) seen the overall money we get it is not possible to get that armor and i just cannot immagine how you expected anyone to get it when you made the concept.
Henches: the only thing about henches is that they should have a full skill bar to make them more effective.
Pets: the pets in guild wars are totaly useless as they are not good enough. they just die too fast and dont deal much damage. the skills are useless as they have to be activated by the player (whilst i think the concept was to use your pet instead of a bow there is the problem that the pet doesnt deal much damage and there is not beast mastery req type of weapon). maybe pets should be just like heroes.
Social: i think that overall guild wars should get more social. there should be a marketplace so that towns dont get flooded with selling and people can socialize. i also think that heroes destroy the pug and thats even less socializing.

Overall i think that guild wars should synch itself between all campaigns so that they all have the same quest, mission, armor, skills, class, etc. system.

Liv Von Stantvoort · Nov 26, 2006, 12:22 PM // 12:22

This is lengthy but take 2 mins out to read it, bet you've had similar experiences...

I left guild wars 2 months ago, over ridiculous error and lag issues. Playing Elites was pretty much the only kick I was getting out of play, yet I only ever got a few games out of literally hundreds that didn't have some guy getting err7.

I left to play Eve Online and Warcraft. Absolutely impressed. In game technicians sorted all problems just by messaging them. Disconnections didn't matter because players would come back into the party when they logged back in. List goes on.

Anyway, yesterday I decided to give GW another shot. I bought Nightfall.

Guess what? Trying to get into Elona from Keineng Centre by doing the quest results in err 005s and err 019s.

So I check my ports, Virus software and Firewall and msg support to let them know what the errors were and what i've done to try to fix it.

AUTOMATED BLOODY REPLY telling me to check my ports.

I reply.

ANOTHER AUTOMATED BLOODY REPLY telling me to chk my virus software.

I reply

YET ANOTHER AUTOMATED REPLY reccommending virus software.

I ask for my money back.

AUTOMATED REPLY AGAIN telling me they've passed the issue on to a senior technician.

So.

I go and play in prophecies and factions and all is working fine, i got a few err7s and so did some other guys in ToPK and FoW. Usual nonsense.

Then I notice some ridiculous AI going on. Complete timewasting nonsense like they retreat and regen. Obviously an anti-farm measure (regardless of what the 'official' spin is).

Hit UW. Oh looky, spirit-bond is nerfed. The UW run takes at least 10 mins longer. Whats the point in that? Playing in small teams in UW and FoW means I dont have to put up with lots of irritating PUGS and I can get some chill-time.

ITS FUN, WHY NERF?

I'm sure lots of other nerfs have taken place but I've only been back since yesterday.

To The OP..

Factions was a joke, that's the census of the majority. Nightfall should have been the second installment.

Now heres something that you notice whan youve taken 2 months out-

The characters look ridiculous! Yes. The artwork doesn't blend between the 3 campaigns. There is some gorgeous art, such as the luxon monk 15k and the Rit FoW, and some others. But most of the art is utterly pants, utterly.

Prophecies weapons look dated mostly, compared to factions weapons. Nightfall weapons are pretty organic looking so they blend better, but unimpressive all the same.

What about all the players who've been crying out for the auction hall for over a year?

Screw them.

Anet have consistently and arrogantly ignored the demands of players who really Do know how to improve the game.

Am I lying? Read the complaints on this forum.

This post is getting lengthy, I'll add more when the thread kicks off.
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Nine Soul · Nov 26, 2006, 12:36 PM // 12:36

Which game are you playing? Changing professions costs 500g the first time, after that it's entirely free. Which means it costs about, what, 6k to get all the secondaries? Wow, that's like, ZOMGS, can't get 6k without farming!1eleven

Second, I don't see what the problem is with the engine. On an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ with a gig of RAM and a GeForce 6600 it works wonderfully. Notice that this configuration costs about 500$ nowadays, if that much even.

Obsidian Armor? The whole point is that not everyone can get it. It's a prestige post-endgame armor for people who want to stand out.

Skills - how the hell do you expect them to balance out 1000+ skills on the first go? New builds get made every day, and some skills get used in a way which was not intended - nerf bat, and quite rightly so. With new classes and skills being added every new chapter, of course they need a slight re-balancing here and there.

Economy - I see nothing wrong with it. Prices have been dropping ever so slightly, which is both a good and a bad thing (depending on which side of the fence you're on, buying or selling). Gold is really not that hard to come by. In Nightfall one Heket run can net you 2-5k (up to 30-40k, depending on what drops for you), and that's a 15 minute job, tops.

Farming getting the nerf bat - not really, adapt ffs. My farm spots and builds still work, but then again, I never played a 55er.

That's about it, can't be bothered going through all the points in your post, but many of them are entirely invalid. Some have a small modicum of truth in them, but most are just moaning, no offense.

And BTW, I have no idea what you mean by GW 2.

Shuuda · Nov 26, 2006, 12:48 PM // 12:48

Sigh, waa waa boo hoo. If you hate guild wars stop playing, we need less people like you.

Warrior Of The Toon · Nov 26, 2006, 12:59 PM // 12:59

If you hate GW so much why are you still here? Just run away to some little hole and cry there, incase you haven't noticed the majority of the people here both like and play the game. We don't cry (well some do) when something gets nerfed, we adapt and realise that it probably was overpowered. Oh and if Prophecies is the only vaguely enjoyable campaign for you, just play that one! Jesus how simple can you get. Oh and you can change secondary for money instead of the post-ascension quests. As for your complaining about obsidian - expensive stuff is there for those who've earned it! Unless you want everyone who's spent years on the game running around in 1.5k armour, people need somewhere to spend their overflowing buckets of gold...

reetkever · Nov 26, 2006, 01:00 PM // 13:00

Hmmm what's wrong with the economy? This is:

Playing through the game (I did all missions, not alot of quests, though) got me about 10K.

-Armors cost about 6K each (cheapest max armor), but it has no stats yet, and some stats are 6K each -_-
-Skills cost 1K each + a skill point. Isn't the friggin skill point enough?
-Materials prices have gone up, because of lack of supply
-rune prices have gone up (1,5K for a minor vigor, geez -_-), also cause of lack of supply
-Dye prices are screwed over (Red dye is worth more than silver dye, what the hell? o.O)
-gold weapon market is screwed over, every1 and his grandma can get a 15^50 gold now. What's the use of greens and collector's weapons again? Soon everyone will have 15^50 crystallines - which are then 'fake rare skins'.

That's what's wrong with he economy. Stuff that's supposed to be cheap is worth alot, and stuff that's supposed to be worth alot is cheap.

JAFO2RHh · Nov 26, 2006, 01:05 PM // 13:05

GW 2 means his first post got locked, so he made another one

IBDL

fearian · Nov 26, 2006, 01:16 PM // 13:16

Guild Wars is a bad MMO.

Guild Wars is a good game.

If you like it, play it; if you don't like it, play somthing else.

Vandal2k6 · Nov 26, 2006, 01:21 PM // 13:21

Quote:

Guess what? Trying to get into Elona from Keineng Centre by doing the quest results in err 005s and err 019s.

Your problem, not Guild Wars. If it was GW far more people would be getting it. Sort your computer out and GW will work fine.

To the OP. It sounds like you want a kiddy console game. If you find reading hard, ask your mum to do it and explain what's going on. Believe it or not, the text is important to the game and I for one, enjoy reading what I'm about to take part it. This makes it more personal instead of just "another mission". Pets are fine once they're leveled up. Obsidion armour is for elite players only. If was cheap and easily available, why have it? Might aswell just get Droks armour. THIS IS THE POINT. If you want anti-social try WoW. I played it for 2 months and spoke to hardly anyone and didn't do a single mission with anyone. OK, people answered a question when I had one, but general chat was none existant.

Simple answer to all this. Go and play something else.

Oh and WoW is the biggest pile of shite, the graphics are so cartoony it's like playing a SNES. Maybe more your cup of tea. Eve Online is soooo boring (mining takes forever with n00b ships). Both plop.

I don't usually type posts in this tone but I'm so fed up with people slagging GW for stupid reasons. Yes, there are problems with it and things we all want adding/changing but if you dislike it so much, go elsewhere. That's what I did with WoW and EO. No point in moaning about it if you're not prepared to stick with it in the long run. It just seems to me people are out to try and turn people against the game rather than give contructive comments and improve the experiance.

kade · Nov 26, 2006, 01:25 PM // 13:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liv Von Stantvoort

There is some gorgeous art, such as the luxon monk 15k

Of all the things in Factions this is the most impressive to you artisctically? Have you even played the game? I don't mean to come off as rantish but I don't know of anyone that would honestly say having played Factions thouroughly that Rit fow and Mo 15k (luxon nonetheless) is the greatest A-net had to offer in this game.

In the long list of artistically unique and inspiring things in Factions, I dont think either of these makes the cut. I mean, I thought Urgoz Warren was excellently designed (artistically speaking) and likewise for countless other areas, and as for the differences in design of the games...isn't that the point?

And seriously, I run PvP games on an old P.O.S gateway thats at least 6 years old without a hitch...and I had more connection issues with my (short) time playing WoW than I care to remember...

just my 2 cents but as everyone else has said...dont like it, dont play it theres really no reason to tell us why. You won't convert anyone on a GW fansite I'm fairly confident and as you stated, A-net's not gonna listen to you so why try?

Antheus · Nov 26, 2006, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Anet knows how to cater to their audience.

The loot and grind happy crowd is one audience they have always wanted to get rid off. (That's a hint btw)

ArTy · Nov 26, 2006, 01:30 PM // 13:30

In before lock. If you don't like the game then go play something else ffs.

Terra Xin · Nov 26, 2006, 01:32 PM // 13:32

Great... a contradicting thread. No offense. But you've made a thread in 5 minutes 'roughly' outlining the problems that you've witnessed in GuildWars.... offering vague or no solutions as to how they could be resolved. Overall, the thread itself isn't even polished. If you want the developers to read a thread, and you want to make a superlative of your own idea over their work, your thread needs to show that, it doesn't.

Was there a point to this rant, or did you actually think that the developers would seriously understand what you are trying to say?

It's clear that you didn't put enough time into thinking about what you have typed out, I would love to quote everything you've said... op.... and tell you why you're most likely wrong about the things that you said. But going back to before, if you can't put enough thought into your posts, then there's no reason for anyone else to really do the same. You're just inviting spammers here.

You know, moderators. Here's a sneaky little loop hole you can do using your own rules^^. Move this thread over to sardelac and then close it for suggesting too many ideas in one thread :P

Liv Von Stantvoort · Nov 26, 2006, 01:35 PM // 13:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by kade

of all the things in Factions this is the most impressive to you artisctically? have you even played the game?

I think you'll find the context was characters between the 3 campaigns. Have you even read the post.

You know, the problem with fanboys is that they're happy to lap up whatever Anet throws into the doggy bowl.

The rest of us play the game to the death with all the characters, have more money and 'leet' items than know what to do with, then turn around and think,

'was that really worth my money?'

'couldn't this be done better?'

'are Anet really taking their audience seriously?'

Seems to me the only audience they're attracting now is the 12-17yr crowd. Average age of serious gamers = 28, FACT.

[BTW, talking about art in factions. I couldn't care how much of an improvement the art was over Prophecies, there are few things in THE KNOWN UNIVERSE more dire than having to quest in the undercity]

Liv Von Stantvoort · Nov 26, 2006, 01:37 PM // 13:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vandal2k6

Your problem, not Guild Wars. If it was GW far more people would be getting it. Sort your computer out and GW will work fine.

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You should work for technical support. 019 is in fact a server error as per PlayNC's site. But really. Submit your last post as a job application to technical support, guaranteed employment.

Cow Tale · Nov 26, 2006, 01:38 PM // 13:38

lol u only got 10k from the whole game? whats wrong with u? did u just sprint past all the monsters or what? O.o for you people who are complaining about nerfs, why dont u go play a game that has a "god mode" so it can be easy for u? SimAnt isnt very challenging, try that game out. and to the first dude, u obviously were raised in front of a tv. try reading a book. the text in quests are enjoyable to read. i do agree with the guy mentioning the fow armor, i mean whats up with that? everytime i saw a tank in fow armor i used to think "wow thats ugly" then the other day i found out what it costs...now im like "wow thats ugly, and man are u retarded for wasting your money on that". i mean some fow armors are nice looking, but the warriors is just ugly.
Guild Wars is by far one of the best games of all time. up there with counterstrike. ok so you play WoW and u have the adacity to say GW character art is ridiculous? have you seen the lame graphix in wow? talk about kiddie graphix. "yay its like mario meets cartoon network". not sayin Wow is a bad game, just looks way too cartoony. GWs owns it. lol since when is red dye worth more than silver wtf are u talking about? ive got some red dye wanna buy it? Gws system req. arent anything. crap goto wally world and buy a computer for $200 and a crappy $40 vid card and u should be able to run it. runs fine on my 5yr old comp, not max settings but still looks fine.
all in all maybe when u kids grow up you can goto school and learn how to code video games and then u can work for anet and make the changes you want. then all the new kids will complain about you and youll see how it is.

Lyphen · Nov 26, 2006, 01:38 PM // 13:38

Didn't read because it was even more boring than Prophecies quest texts!

kade · Nov 26, 2006, 01:44 PM // 13:44

Liv my point wasn't that you were wrong...maybe the art is inconsistent, I don't personally care to critique that aspect of it. My point is that anyone who cites Mo luxon 15k as one of the most beautiful things artistically in GW either hasn't playe the game or likes bad artwork. Either nullifies your case...

Hell Marauder · Nov 26, 2006, 01:47 PM // 13:47

Nightfall is VERY polished compared to Gothics III, Neverwinter Nights 2, and Medieval 2 Total Wars which all came out around the same time. If you think NF is undone, go check those big titles, you'll surely be glad you bought NF and a little more appreciative toward Anet.